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Lady Lozza · Apr 28, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Wow, I can't believe that people are still going on about the monk strike.

OP, is there anything wrong with charging for it? No. If people feel the need to pay for a real monk to do the mission there is no reason you shouldn't make a quick quid off it. Do I think there are many players who will take you up on your offer? No. Why? Heroes, and the abundance of bad monks. Generally speaking only bad monks pug nowdays. Why? Most good or even average monks won't pug. Most monks got sick of the abuse players heaped on them because they couldn't heal the wammo who used spirit to get two aggro bubbles ahead and then activated frenzy and heal sig. And before anyone says no one uses frenzy and heal sig anymore - a brave guildie who decided to monk HP the other day discovered differently, the wammo in question had orison, mending, and "charge" for good measure.

Charge money if you want, but understand this - you charge money to put up with bad attitudes (though not necessarily bad players). If you want to be blamed for everything from the state of the weather to the rise of Hitler and/or white supremecy you'd best hope the money you make off it is worth it.

Master Knightfall · Apr 28, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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No, actually. Elitism is about entitlement; simply thinking you are better than others doesn't make you elitist.

Umm who died and left you god of the definition of Elitsim bud? I say what I say it is and that's what the majority think it is anyways not your ELITIST definition. See folks this is a pure example of an Elitist attitude he feels HIS definition is the ONLY definition of Elitist. Proves my point to a tee. See, I didn't say NO your definition is wrong like he did, I merely gave the definition of what I've heard many others compare Elitism to and it's mostly about attitudes, arrogance, better than you are type players, much like that poster and his definition.

Age · Apr 28, 2008, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by strcpy

Very much so - back a few pages ago someone else mentioned the Monk Strike and I said, given that people still blame heroes. I was informed that had *nothing* to do with it. Well, no, the strike in and itself didn't cause it but the *attitude* of it did. The general attitude was "Do what I say or I will take my ball and go home" - they were then told to "go home". That wasn't just confined to Monks, however they tended to be some of the worst at it. There is the same attitude with charging someone to play the game with them - *that* is what killed PUGs. People had forgotten the "group" part and PUGS had been on a steady decline for some time, the amusing outcome of the strike was that when forced to use the AI many realized how horrid the human monks were in general and that they *could* tell them to take their ball home, that they no longer needed to put up with the crap.

All heroes ever did was give people something else to do besides quit the game (and is largely why Anet put them in there). Heroes are not that good, a decent group of players (even if they are random people/classes) are MUCH easier to play than a full hero team would be - there is a reason that even before heroes were released the majority of the community had switched to the AI or quit and it all came down to PUGS were *not* fun.

So, again, to the OP question there is nothing wrong per se with charging (or going on strike or many of the outward signs of being a prima donna), especially true if you are actually that good. However, community wise, it is a recipe for failure, especially when those prima donna's can't play the game and are mostly blaming others for their failures. You can find the ones on this thread that *still* believe that a monk has the right to dictate such things when even Alesia and Mhenlo proves that they are incorrect (and I note those are mostly the people who hate the AI being there). Those people are not going to be fun to play with regardless of the character they play.

This is all fine and dandy untill you find out how bad their heros bars and I have seen some real winners out there.They don't know anything about Monking or how to put together a solid build or ones that herso can actually play without spamming the heck out certain skill like PoS Tahlk. spams it like no tomorrow and when it is not needed.It would be nice if Hench Monks were correct from capable Monks that know better.

I refine my bars every once a month maybe 2 or if there is a skill balance they can't Henchies as well as those with heros don't bother.

vaxmor · Apr 28, 2008, 09:27 AM // 09:27

if you need a human monk here - then youre doing it wrong and need to L2P.

kobey · Apr 28, 2008, 09:31 AM // 09:31

I used to charge up to 35k for this mission which I ran with hero/hench. But that was when heros were just introduced and not many people mastered the use of it.

Good times back then

Malice Black · Apr 28, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

LBS use to charge 250k for RoF missions back in the day.

C2K · Apr 28, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

You can charge whatever you want to run the mission, but Tahlkora and Dunkoro are always ready to do it for free and best of all they never complain threaten to leave the game while doing the mission.

Burst Cancel · Apr 28, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Umm who died and left you god of the definition of Elitsim bud? I say what I say it is and that's what the majority think it is anyways not your ELITIST definition. See folks this is a pure example of an Elitist attitude he feels HIS definition is the ONLY definition of Elitist. Proves my point to a tee. See, I didn't say NO your definition is wrong like he did, I merely gave the definition of what I've heard many others compare Elitism to and it's mostly about attitudes, arrogance, better than you are type players, much like that poster and his definition.

Except it's not 'my' definition, it's the definition that's in the dictionary. You know, the general authority on what words actually mean? Try looking in it before you go off on how other people are pushing 'their own' definitions on other people - which, ironically, is exactly what you're trying to do here.

I also like how you don't bother to address my main point - that kicking people from your party for bad bars is the common sense thing to do regardless of what your definition of 'elitism' is.

strcpy · Apr 28, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Age

This is all fine and dandy untill you find out how bad their heros bars and I have seen some real winners out there.They don't know anything about Monking or how to put together a solid build or ones that herso can actually play without spamming the heck out certain skill like PoS Tahlk. spams it like no tomorrow and when it is not needed.It would be nice if Hench Monks were correct from capable Monks that know better.

And yet, even then many - if not most - still find it better than playing with a bunch of whiners and monks who refuse to heal you because they think they should be able to tell everyone how to play. Even worse was when they wanted to charge for that "service".

Which, again, comes back to the same answer given the OP several times. There is nothing wrong with that per se - it just isn't going to work out the way you want it too. It either drives people away from the game or right into the AI (especially true once they realize that the AI does good enough that they can beat all the missions in the game - even with those really crappy skill bars or the hench). If they are failing a human monk or a better skill bar on their hero isn't going to fix it.

I just logged into HP a few minutes ago (last mission I need on that character for her protector titles) and saw at least three separate monks spamming LFG. My guess is that the OP will not really get much in the way of gold for monking said mission. The good ole' days were ruined because so many wanted to charge gold or dictate everything to the party and drove people to learn to play with the AI.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Apr 28, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

the so called good old days....i kinda miss em it was funny pissing off the charge monks saying that the 2 monk henchmen could do better than most every other monk. I got some really funny flames on that one and the sad thing was that the monks in factions were actually pretty good.

Fear Me! · Apr 29, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

If they can't manage the mission with just henchies, or heroes thereafter, and they refuse to respec builds, then they have but one option left to them, pay me money.

MasterSasori · Apr 29, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by morimoto

There are a shortage of monks in the Hell's Precipice mission. I have a monk. Is it wrong to change a party some amount of gold to go through the mission with them?

i am broke and could use the $$ and parties need monks.

Then you're just a runner. Get the gold, give the sex, and both parties can go on their happy way.

pamelf · Apr 29, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

I often pimp out my monk... I never charge, but I always accept tips. I H/H my way through the game and then let people who can't do that borrow my time and skills.

Age · Apr 29, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by strcpy

And yet, even then many - if not most - still find it better than playing with a bunch of whiners and monks who refuse to heal you because they think they should be able to tell everyone how to play. Even worse was when they wanted to charge for that "service".

Which, again, comes back to the same answer given the OP several times. There is nothing wrong with that per se - it just isn't going to work out the way you want it too. It either drives people away from the game or right into the AI (especially true once they realize that the AI does good enough that they can beat all the missions in the game - even with those really crappy skill bars or the hench). If they are failing a human monk or a better skill bar on their hero isn't going to fix it.

I just logged into HP a few minutes ago (last mission I need on that character for her protector titles) and saw at least three separate monks spamming LFG. My guess is that the OP will not really get much in the way of gold for monking said mission. The good ole' days were ruined because so many wanted to charge gold or dictate everything to the party and drove people to learn to play with the AI.

You could pay a Monk or you can wait for one to do it for free.The Monks that don't charge you please do as they ask if they are experienced like please take res etc..What I am pointing out is that still that an experienced human Monk is far better than AI.I do use AI Monks to get me through some missions but I will give a pug a chance.

The Faction Monks are terrible even the NF ones are.This whole topic though is about real Monks charging would I do it no unless I start getting grief from other players who won't listen to me which forces me and other Monks to over compensate for the lack of experience and bad bars form the party.

Moloch Vein · May 01, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Well, to be honest, watching the people in Hell's made me realize how dramatically the player quality in GW has declined.

Ursan for that... brr...

ElinoraNeSangre · May 01, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I'm a pretty decent monk in my own opinion; probably not awesome, but I'm okay. Definately not bad (I've taken no abuse for my monking in PUGs, although I do confess I'm picky about PUGs; I watch how people interact in the district before I'll join a group). I personally would not charge for a mission.

Charging for a run? Goodness because you have to do it solo.

Charging for being part of a team? Sure, you could do it, but I will echo that heroes will do the job any day. Dunkoro doesn't have the judgement I do, sure, and he can't listen to player needs as well, but he's got killer reflexes and will suffice in a pinch. If you can get someone to play, that's great! Money's hard to come by. But there's better ways to make money (go get to the end of EotN and do Destroyer runs, for instance)

As for kicking for bad bars... It really depends on the bar and the people. I don't mind a weird bar - I think being creative with skills is a GOOD thing (shocking, I know). If I get a warrior carrying nothing but fire ele skills (too expensive for a warrior energy pool) or an ele with nothing but assassin skills (and no ele skills to speak of), or are spread across 5 attributes (...), I might be a little concerned. But I had a lifestealing Rt in a group a few months back, and one guy left the group laughing at him because he didn't like the bar. Once we were in the mission, I quickly saw that the skill bar worked just fine. Sometimes, something YOU might not think works might be something someone spent months fine tuning and making work. I really doubt any of us could say we know ALL the skills and know in a moment how ALL of them work together.

My policy is if in doubt, ask. If they can explain the benefits and how it works, then it might be worth a try. If it sounds like they dumped random skills into their skillbar, NICELY explain some alternatives and see what they do. If they seem receptive, they might be a perfectly decent player without the same grasp of skills that you have, and maybe just need some teaching (I know from experience that I was one of those players, I loved to play but just didn't have a great grasp on making a good build; someone did take me under their wing to teach me a bit, but they were kind of mean about it sometimes, which I don't think really helps, it just makes people mad). If they pitch a fit and get surly, they're probably not a nice person to play with anyway, and at that point, they're asking to be kicked.

Attitude is everything. Treat people with respect, play with people who treat you with respect. And don't take life so seriously!

(maybe I should finish the S. Shiverpeaks missions and get my butt over to HP to help monk!

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